As I already stated in another thread, the prices for runes and amus are way to high. I do not have enough time to maintain amus and runes by playing and buying is also no option (set of runes for a week costs like what, 5 Euro?! Not acceptable). And even for those plaing a lot more than me, there is still the problem of maintaining runes and amus for more than one char. In MVP we had players who had all classes on lvl 20 and would have liked to switch between them. Incidentally those players quit the game by now...

As a consequence, I will also spend my tornament crystals and if nothing changes I will quit the game.

Of course the Panzar guys need to earn some money. I would therefore also be willing to pay a reasonable amount per month for amus, runes, premium or whatever the model. But it has to be REASONABLE what it is clearly NOT at the moment.

I am also sure that Panzar could earn mutch more money than now by decreasing the prices and by doing some other minor changes as for instance those listed in Zeras post - because this would clearly help to increase the player base.

You know, someone accusing the players who say its somehow a p2w game of fearing of the premium players told once that he can gather needed materials for all runes and amus in 3,5 h as far as i remember. Let's say he exagerrated a bit and its 5 hrs. You say you don't find an hour per day to play Panzar? And you still want to pay money for this? ^^'


You know, if you'd like to have all the amus and runes for all your characters, why complaining.. it's your choice. People do have fun without any amus and runes, dude.

And I'm not sure what do you call 'a reasonable amount of money paid for a f2p game'. Firstly, as i 'quoted', f2p makes a kind of nonesense here, then secondly, how can you know what the reasonable price is? People still will pay for that and you know that. You are maybe an older player who remembers times when premium was cheaper. The new ppl don't. I don't really think the management cares about such compliants. Nothing personal, though.

Oh my god. Panzar is a pure pvp game with lots of tournaments and competition. So dear Xylar: what is fu*king needed for competition? RIGHT! SAME GEAR! SKILL DECIDES! So its NOT your choice to have amulets and full big runes if everyone else is playing the tournaments with it. YOU HAVE TO GO WITH FULL GEAR.

Now please dont write that you are fine in your public games. Me and 90% of playerbase dont care about public expierence.

This game has some really big problems. We would like to stay here. We give feedback and try to improve the game. Time will tell what they will really fix. And also how long players of clan MVP will stick to this game.

I said it's your choice to have the 'pro' items (i'll use this abbreviation) on all of your characters. And I don't really think that people in tournament change their chars so much and so often, like one battle they play as a tank, the second as an inq, the third as a witch and so on to 4-8 chars. Tell me if I'm wrong;] Choose one or two chars to play in tms, equip them with the pro items and leave the rest to have some fun on public games, without the items.
And still, prices rose for all of the players, didnt they? ^^

I think it takes more than 5h of play to get full amus and full runes. Especially the latter takes more time.
It is to be checked how it pans out in the newest patch though. Maybe just check how many runes you get after a match (win and lose) and extrapolate the time.

As for the argument "you do not need amus and runes bla bla". This is bullshit as Zera already stated, because you absolutely need runes and amus for playing tournaments. Tournaments are on a weekly cycle, hence you need full equip up all the time. (Because the stuff is typically crafted for 7d).

And as for playing several chars, any tournament player can tell you that it is quite common to switch chars in the line-up throughout tournaments. And in our case it was often like "yeah I got that char, but no runes and amus running...". You then have the situation that you would need to invest all the stuff for basically 1 match. Go figure, spend like 10 Eur for one match. WTF?

So please do not tell me that this is good game design. It is basically a "hidden p2w" design, and it will turn people off playing. Just read the forums, here
viewtopic.php?f=5&t=11911
or on steam. You will find that new players are likely to leave the game again once they discovered the "hidden p2w" factor. And in the end this is bad for panzar and also bad for their income.

With lesser prices and some design changes they might attract and hold much more players and thus earn much more money over the masses. Because panzar as a PvP game is quite good and fun and it has the potential for more. But they need to take care, otherwise I am convinced that this game will disappear again in the mid-term.

5 hours for all amus and runes with f2p? sir, do you even play this game? i getting bored with those guys telling me how this game dont need either paying or 10hour/day grinding with f2p acc or "crashing is not a problem", those guys obviusly never entered tournament or maintain a char with full runes/amus with f2p. If you make 11 big runes/week with f2p acc, you have problems. So many other forums to troll guys, please leave this alone.

You need more than 7h of play to get full runes and amu WITH PRENIUM ( at lvl 20 ofc ) so twice without and if you are always on top score.

The main problem is : this game is a russian one ... Russian ( and asian ) love P2W , when you see the succes of allods ...

Panzar studio dont uderstant EU and US are NOT russian !

As far as I know the prices are much cheaper for russia, or am I wrong here?

Crystals are cheaper.

Yeah I'm even sure it takes more than 5 hrs, it was only an a bit sarcastic allusion to one guy

As for the 'fun without runes and amus', I added something to that in the next post. As for your answer to the one, you know.. if you want you can have clan with only 10 players, for sure they would need to have all their chars with full eq + runes and amus. That's why you can find more good people to the clan to make all the team be able to make substitutions. The less players take part in a team, probably the more crystals each gets for a win, well the prices are exactly what you pay for the less number. I'm sure it would be better for you if the prices were lower. But why should it be like this? Just because you say you don't like the current ones? (nothing personal)
It becomes p2w even more, if you can't play in tournament because you lack runes and amus which you 'need to pay for'. One guy (next allusion) told once that, in an abbreviation, you pay or farm. You can play more on publics to farm the materials for the 'pro' items, you can have everything without money. It is all fair. If you 'don't have enough time' then you must pay. Nothing for nothing.

Yeah and all that I'm saying is that the game is p2w. You say you dislike it but didnt you just between the lines complained about the prices?